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			<title>ajt in response to: Eco-travel</title>
			<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator><span class="login user nowrap" rel="bubbletip_user_1"><span class="identity_link_username">ajt</span></span></dc:creator>
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			<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the comments. It&amp;#8217;s quite difficult to get a good overview
of how much greenhouse gases are produced by which area of human
activity or even more specifically, which type of travel, but I&amp;#8217;ll
try.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Roughly one fifth of the global carbon dioxide emissions seem to be from transport. &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gases&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;According to Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt;, which uses data from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mnp.nl/edgar/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;EDGAR&lt;/a&gt;, the figure is 14%. WWF claims that 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.panda.org/about_wwf/what_we_do/climate_change/problems/cause/index.cfm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;transport accounts for 26%&lt;/a&gt; of the emissions, and the U.S. Environmental Protection
Agency (EPA) has come up with a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.epa.gov/otaq/climate/420r06003summary.htm&quot;&gt;27% figure
for the U.S.&lt;/a&gt;. European Environmental Agency &lt;a href=&quot;http://reports.eea.europa.eu/technical_report_2007_7/en&quot;&gt;arrives
to a 20% share of total CO2 emitted in Europe&lt;/a&gt;. Rather different
figures, but in any case transport, both cargo and passenger travel, 
is one of the major factors in global warming. The
biggest culprit seems to be production of energy, for both electricity
and heating.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The share of airplane emissions of all transport is still low,
below 10% according to most sources, but rapidly growing. For the
energy efficiency per kilometer, air travel doesn&amp;#8217;t do too well. The 
previously referenced &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.epa.gov/otaq/climate/420r06003summary.htm&quot;&gt;EPA 
report&lt;/a&gt; states that in 2001, energy required to move a ton-mile of
air cargo was 7.5 times greater than heavy-duty trucks, over 17 times
that of ships, and 83 times greater than rail. For person traffic,
they estimate about 4.5 liters of fuel spent per 100 km and per seat.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aef.org.uk&quot;&gt;Aviation Environment Federation
(AEF)&lt;/a&gt;, a UK non-profit, has &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aef.org.uk/downloads/Howdoesairtravelcompare.doc&quot;&gt;a
very readable comparison between car, rail and air travel&lt;/a&gt;, which
lacks credibility by not listing references, but uses a very similar
fuel consumption figure (4.8 liters of fuel per 100 km per seat). That
calculates to about 150 grams of carbon dioxide per passenger
kilometer &amp;#8212; the same than a fairly fuel-efficient modern car with only the driver inside.&lt;/p&gt; 

&lt;p&gt;Various sources (see e.g. &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_and_the_environment&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Aviation and the environment in Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt;)
estimate that the total global warming effect of air travel is about
two times compared to the carbon dioxide alone, due to other gases emitted
and the high altitude. They are usually referring to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ipcc.ch&quot;&gt;The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change (IPCC)&lt;/a&gt;, which has published &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/sres/aviation/index.htm&quot;&gt;a report
on Aviation and the Global Atmosphere&lt;/a&gt;. I found that report rather
hard to read and interpret.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Altogether, flying seems to be approximately as harmful or somewhat
more harmful per kilometer than driving a car alone. A car full of
people or traveling by train is clearly more efficient. It was
more difficult to find data on sea travel, but the efficiency
figures of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.epa.gov/otaq/climate/420r06003summary.htm&quot;&gt;the EPA
report&lt;/a&gt; would place ships somewhere between planes and trains.
However, due to the larger amount of cargo transported by sea, the
total impact of shipping &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/transport/Story/0,,2025723,00.html&quot;&gt;seems
to be even larger than airlines&lt;/a&gt;. For personal travel, worst of all
are probably high speed motor boats, which can consume really
excessive amounts of fuel per passenger. Fortunately such boats are
rarely used for traveling very long distances.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Overall, flying to a far-away destination is clearly not eco-travel.
Even if the impact was only the same than a fuel-efficient car (the
minimum figure), a trans-atlantic round trip flight would be
equivalent to 15000-20000 km of driving, a distance which a typical car
owner covers in one year.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Personally, I&amp;#8217;m trying to proportionate the length of my trips to
the time spent at the destination. I&amp;#8217;m not going to fly to Hong Kong
just to spend a weekend there, even if I&amp;#8217;d find a ridiculously low
price for the ticket. However, I could still take the same flight to
start a two month excursion in China. Of course the environmental
impact of the flight is exactly the same, but this way I end up taking
less of such flights per year. Having enough time I&amp;#8217;ll also
enjoy the trip much more, making it better worth the high cost.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments. It&#8217;s quite difficult to get a good overview
of how much greenhouse gases are produced by which area of human
activity or even more specifically, which type of travel, but I&#8217;ll
try.</p>

<p>Roughly one fifth of the global carbon dioxide emissions seem to be from transport. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gases" rel="nofollow ugc">According to Wikipedia</a>, which uses data from <a href="http://www.mnp.nl/edgar/" rel="nofollow ugc">EDGAR</a>, the figure is 14%. WWF claims that 
<a href="http://www.panda.org/about_wwf/what_we_do/climate_change/problems/cause/index.cfm" rel="nofollow ugc">transport accounts for 26%</a> of the emissions, and the U.S. Environmental Protection
Agency (EPA) has come up with a <a href="http://www.epa.gov/otaq/climate/420r06003summary.htm">27% figure
for the U.S.</a>. European Environmental Agency <a href="http://reports.eea.europa.eu/technical_report_2007_7/en">arrives
to a 20% share of total CO2 emitted in Europe</a>. Rather different
figures, but in any case transport, both cargo and passenger travel, 
is one of the major factors in global warming. The
biggest culprit seems to be production of energy, for both electricity
and heating.</p>

<p>The share of airplane emissions of all transport is still low,
below 10% according to most sources, but rapidly growing. For the
energy efficiency per kilometer, air travel doesn&#8217;t do too well. The 
previously referenced <a href="http://www.epa.gov/otaq/climate/420r06003summary.htm">EPA 
report</a> states that in 2001, energy required to move a ton-mile of
air cargo was 7.5 times greater than heavy-duty trucks, over 17 times
that of ships, and 83 times greater than rail. For person traffic,
they estimate about 4.5 liters of fuel spent per 100 km and per seat.
<a href="http://www.aef.org.uk">Aviation Environment Federation
(AEF)</a>, a UK non-profit, has <a href="http://www.aef.org.uk/downloads/Howdoesairtravelcompare.doc">a
very readable comparison between car, rail and air travel</a>, which
lacks credibility by not listing references, but uses a very similar
fuel consumption figure (4.8 liters of fuel per 100 km per seat). That
calculates to about 150 grams of carbon dioxide per passenger
kilometer &#8212; the same than a fairly fuel-efficient modern car with only the driver inside.</p> 

<p>Various sources (see e.g. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_and_the_environment" rel="nofollow ugc">Aviation and the environment in Wikipedia</a>)
estimate that the total global warming effect of air travel is about
two times compared to the carbon dioxide alone, due to other gases emitted
and the high altitude. They are usually referring to <a href="http://www.ipcc.ch">The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change (IPCC)</a>, which has published <a href="http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/sres/aviation/index.htm">a report
on Aviation and the Global Atmosphere</a>. I found that report rather
hard to read and interpret.</p>

<p>Altogether, flying seems to be approximately as harmful or somewhat
more harmful per kilometer than driving a car alone. A car full of
people or traveling by train is clearly more efficient. It was
more difficult to find data on sea travel, but the efficiency
figures of <a href="http://www.epa.gov/otaq/climate/420r06003summary.htm">the EPA
report</a> would place ships somewhere between planes and trains.
However, due to the larger amount of cargo transported by sea, the
total impact of shipping <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/transport/Story/0,,2025723,00.html">seems
to be even larger than airlines</a>. For personal travel, worst of all
are probably high speed motor boats, which can consume really
excessive amounts of fuel per passenger. Fortunately such boats are
rarely used for traveling very long distances.</p>

<p>Overall, flying to a far-away destination is clearly not eco-travel.
Even if the impact was only the same than a fuel-efficient car (the
minimum figure), a trans-atlantic round trip flight would be
equivalent to 15000-20000 km of driving, a distance which a typical car
owner covers in one year.</p>

<p>Personally, I&#8217;m trying to proportionate the length of my trips to
the time spent at the destination. I&#8217;m not going to fly to Hong Kong
just to spend a weekend there, even if I&#8217;d find a ridiculously low
price for the ticket. However, I could still take the same flight to
start a two month excursion in China. Of course the environmental
impact of the flight is exactly the same, but this way I end up taking
less of such flights per year. Having enough time I&#8217;ll also
enjoy the trip much more, making it better worth the high cost.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title> Ania Buncler in response to: Eco-travel</title>
			<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator><span class="user anonymous" rel="bubbletip_comment_403">Ania Buncler</span></dc:creator>
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			<description>I agree! Especially to the sentence: spread positive thinking and personally set a good example instead of critising. Bingo! And I am of course for vegetarian food which is much cheaper, much more healthy and doesn&amp;#8217;t cause that much suffering!
Greetings from Poland! A.</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I agree! Especially to the sentence: spread positive thinking and personally set a good example instead of critising. Bingo! And I am of course for vegetarian food which is much cheaper, much more healthy and doesn&#8217;t cause that much suffering!
Greetings from Poland! A.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title> Ville Savolainen in response to: Eco-travel</title>
			<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 03:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator><span class="user anonymous" rel="bubbletip_comment_402">Ville Savolainen</span></dc:creator>
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			<description>Hello Arto!
Have you found reliable quantitative information on the effect of air travel on global warming? I&amp;#8217;ve been lately wondering whether all effort to eco-travel is really just fooling your conscience, if you get to your destination by flying. How much your annual carbon etc. budget gets increased by, say, one Trans-Atlantic round trip? Is the only real form of eco-travel domestic travel - or starting from home with bike or train and taking your time to go wherever you go, and back?</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Hello Arto!
Have you found reliable quantitative information on the effect of air travel on global warming? I&#8217;ve been lately wondering whether all effort to eco-travel is really just fooling your conscience, if you get to your destination by flying. How much your annual carbon etc. budget gets increased by, say, one Trans-Atlantic round trip? Is the only real form of eco-travel domestic travel - or starting from home with bike or train and taking your time to go wherever you go, and back?]]></content:encoded>
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			<title> Joao Lopes in response to: Eco-travel</title>
			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 23:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator><span class="user anonymous" rel="bubbletip_comment_401">Joao Lopes</span></dc:creator>
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			<description>Hi Arto,

Liked to read you. Very reasonable, valid point of view. Yet expressed in such a &amp;#8220;serene&amp;#8221; way ;) I guess it&amp;#8217;s really a characteristic of someone that has travelled a lot ;)

Keep your attitude, and I would love to continue to read your emails ;)
Joao (from BikeTour)
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Hi Arto,

Liked to read you. Very reasonable, valid point of view. Yet expressed in such a &#8220;serene&#8221; way ;) I guess it&#8217;s really a characteristic of someone that has travelled a lot ;)

Keep your attitude, and I would love to continue to read your emails ;)
Joao (from BikeTour)
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